A Nosferatu Christmas and a Twilight New Year!

Welcome to Josh and Lou, talk to you.

Grab your crew because this year it's new

that we talk to you. (Laughing) Hey

everybody, welcome to Josh and Lou, talk

to you, renewed. (Laughing) Yeah.

She called it that. Make a new logo

that's all like, triple X-y. Well,

renewed, triple X-y. Well, like that

triple X is like, no, but like the, we're

fam, the, what's his name? The guy who's

big and bald and he's in the car movies.

And he's diesel? Yeah, the triple X. He

can remember he's in the car movie

because his last name is Diesel. Oh my

God, I never thought of that.

And a Vin, like a vehicle identification

number. Party was born,

that's why they're so good.

Because he's meant for this role.

God put him on this earth to make car

movies. You know what other roles people

are meant for? What?

Vampires.

(Laughing) Okay, so we're gonna talk

about Twilight and Nosferatu, cause

they're both vampire movies and we

watched Nosferatu on Christmas and we

watched Twilight on New Year's Eve at the

last picture house, the newest theater in

town. It's a cool new theater. Watch out

for that cool kid, he's

got a cool theater. Okay.

Who's the cool kid? Last picture house.

Okay. He has theaters

inside of him. Oh my God.

It's a horror film. What the fuck? That

sounds like a very like--

It's very Willy Wonka coated.

I was gonna say, it's very French. It's

like, what's it about? It's about this

boy who has a movie theaters inside him.

There you go inside and see movie theater

inside the boy. Do you know what it

takes? It's like, what?

I'd watch that. Yeah,

that's a fucking cool movie.

He has like a mouth,

let's not get into it.

(Laughing) Since he tells him how you

enter the boy to be in the movie theater.

Also you said movie theaters. So he's

got-- He's got multiple theaters inside

him. Yeah, there's multiple screens. Oh,

I was thinking multiple buildings. Like

you go inside of him and it's like this,

like-- I would say that there's two

theaters inside of The Last Picture

House. Yes, I guess that's fair. Yeah,

there's houses, theater houses. Theater

can be multiple things. Okay. It can be

the boy, apparently. Some infinities are

bigger than other infinities.

So there's two theaters inside of The

Last Picture House which is also a

theater, like as a genre of venue. All

right, so that's good. It's like Kleenex.

(Laughing)

You know. You love

sleeping. But it's okay.

Like branding, like Kleenex is the,

like-- But then like tissues. Yeah,

right, yeah. And then there's also a lot

of tissues in the box. (Laughing)

I see, I see. Like, I think there's-- We

promised ourselves we wouldn't go off the

rails immediately and we took us, like

how long have we been recording? We've

woken our orange cat up. In like three

minutes. Okay, so speed run immediately

off the rails. Hold on, I gotta get out,

I gotta check off the list. Boy with

theaters inside of him. Check.

Theaters equal theaters.

Equals tissues.

Theaters is to theaters as tissue is to

Kleenex. (Laughing) Okay, check.

Do you have any, wait, we have to wait

till, oh my god. Oh yeah, she's falling.

She's trying to clean herself when we

know how loud she is when she cleans

herself. Yeah, one of our cats is a very

loud cleaner. I don't know how, she's so

small, but it just echoes. Like, oh my

god, please be careful. You just don't--

She's almost falling off the sofa. Yeah,

she's just so snoozy that she doesn't

have her balance yet. She gets so snoozy.

(Clearing Throat) So anyways, yeah, so

for Christmas, we saw Nosferatu. Yes,

okay, so let me set the

scene. Yeah. Three years ago.

(Laughing)

Nosferatu was in production or whatever.

And I saw a long ass time ago that

Nosferatu was getting a Christmas

release. And I was like, that's

interesting. A Robert Eggers movie

getting a Christmas release. This is

gonna be one of the most interesting

Christmas movie going days in a long

time. Because I was like, Eggers movies

are not exactly like crowd pleasers and

stuff. Yeah, normally Christmas movies

are like The Last Showman or whatever.

Yes, they're more hopeful or they're

comedies or big family-friendly action

movies and stuff. But Nosferatu got

second at the box

office, which is very exciting.

And it's reached a bigger market than I

was anticipating at all, because I

remember last year, I mean, I guess we're

gonna be in this tiny little theater next

year, watching this movie. And I don't

know, I just also thought how much

confidence they had in the project to do

such a big day, like Christmas day. And

then they were right, though, because I

think a lot of people were really excited

about it. Yeah, for me, because I don't

keep up with that stuff as well. Yeah,

I'm better at keeping up with like--

Releases and when and all that. And for

me, that moment hit when we found out

they were gonna be doing the popcorn

container, because that's the new trend

of movies that we've been made fun of, I

think Scream was the first one. Scream

was the first one, and I did get the

ghostface bucket, because I was gonna use

it as a planter. And I did, until we got

cats, and then I only have spider plants

now, and not very many of them, because

our other cat, Juniper, or Juju for sure,

she is obsessed with spider plants.

And if I brush up against a spider plant

and she's around, she is obsessed for the

next hour. Give me that plant. Give me

that plant. Well, and spider plants are

slightly psychoactive to cats. So it

makes it irresistible. Anyways. But yeah,

so there was like the Naseratu coffin

popcorn bin, and I was like, it's like

such a weird fucking moment, because like

Eggers has been, you know, the art house,

quote unquote. Like it's very-- He's

like, when we have

hereditary popcorn tin, you know.

Oh shit, what would the, okay. This would

never happen for two reasons. One, it's

very inappropriate. Two, it's a spoiler.

But what if the popcorn tin was the head

of the top? That's what I was thinking.

That would make the most sense, I think.

And it's like upside down, so like you're

eating out of the neck.

That's creativity there, my love. That's.

(Laughing) But like, spoilers. Uh. And

then like the Northman, which was like

his bigger movie. Yeah. Like bombed, it

did better as it went on with the

streaming and stuff, but like in theaters

it did not do well. Well it's also with

such a big budget production. Also it

came out a lot closer to like the

theaters reopening and stuff. Yeah, it

was definitely like victim of like people

weren't quite ready to. And so there's,

you know, those two forces. And also like

people just have been going to, it seems

like going to movies a lot less, so. Yes,

I think especially since COVID, I think

over, I think this is why "Nosferatu" is

giving me hope, but we'll make that into

a different discussion. But yeah, it was

just, it was crazy. It was like they're

doing a popcorn bucket for the movie.

What is happening? Yeah. And then like,

yeah, then it just kept getting more and

more buzz. And it was like, oh, they're

marketing this to everybody. Yeah. And to

our surprise, people were like, fuck

yeah, let's see "Nosferatu." And then

people were like, that was great. Yeah,

and they had a good time. Yeah. I have

been so shocked and like pleasantly

surprised. Like, thank you, like, yay,

I'm so happy that everyone knows

"Nosferatu." Because I thought, because

like going into it, there was like the

big build and I was like, in my head I'm

like, oh, this is gonna, my pessimistic

side was like, this is gonna be a thing

where it's like, they're throwing all

this money behind marketing it. People

are gonna go see it, and it's going to be

an Eggers movie. And people are gonna be

like off put and like, oh, what the fuck

was that? Cause. I thought it was gonna

be like a spring breakers moment. Yeah,

where people went to see like, what are

these Disney celebrities up to? Yeah,

they're doing their first adult film. And

then it was a Harmony Korii. (Laughing)

And I remember, like I was one of those

people, but then I went to see, I was

like, I wasn't put off by it cause I

remember the theater experience so well.

Where like everyone was so upset after

the movie. And I was like, yeah, I mean,

that's definitely not what I expected,

but it was kind of

interesting. (Laughing)

I worked in a movie theater when that

came out. Yeah. And it was so much fun.

Cause like, I like would ask people, what

did you think? And like people were so

mad. Like we got a lot of people who were

like, I want my money back. (Laughing)

What the fuck was that? (Laughing) It's

like, have you seen Gumbo? Gumbo? It's

like, what is that? And I was, what is

that? I had an open mind.

So I pride myself on that.

(Laughing) Which by the way, it's very, I

think, go watch Spring Breakers. It's an

underappreciated movie. It was 824 is

like first big thing. Yeah, that was

their first, that was like their, yeah.

And I think go into it realizing, maybe

there doesn't need to be

any good guys in the movie.

(Laughing) Maybe James Franco, real life

villain. (Laughing) He's also a villain

in the movie and that's okay.

Yeah. Anyways, but then like watching

when we saw, cause we went to go see him

on Christmas with some friends and we

like, I remember in the theater watching

it and it's not, my big fear with Eggers

is he's like, he's what he, his whole

thing is like, he's obsessed with making

it feel as much like the real time as it

can. Like the witch. He's obsessed. He's

obsessed. The witch and the lighthouse

are both like, people talk like how they

talk then. And it makes it a little bit

hard to follow it because we don't talk

like that anymore. Captions

are great. Captions are great.

We, I recently saw the lighthouse in

IMAX. It was my first time seeing it.

And I think captions would have helped a

lot. Yeah, I mean, you're so-- With my

experience. But I also don't know if I

would have loved it on its own. Either

way. Yeah, cause you're out-- If I had

captions, I would feel a lot better

though. Probably, cause you already have

some audio issues with dialogue. It

depends on the dialogue. That's why

certain artists I gravitate to towards

more, or like, I really like SZA's music,

but she sings, I think it's called a

cursive, I think, she has been accused of

or her style is. I don't know. She does

cursive singing and like

Halsey is like that too.

But I have to kind of, oh my God, Orange,

you're so loud. I have to kind of like

read the lyrics, like as I'm listening to

the music or like, you know, after the

first couple of times, because I have no

fucking clue what they're saying, even

though they make really good music. But

for me, it's so hard to

understand what they're saying.

And so you had like, the sea guys, you

know, sea workers, sailors,

that's what I'm looking for.

Sea workers, you know, sea job men.

You add them like in that like talk and

it was like, it's so much and they're all

mad at each other or they're mumbling or

whatever. And then everything's crazy and

like, I appreciate it. But like, I had no

idea, like because I couldn't tell what

they were fucking saying,

it took a lot of the enjoyment out of it.

Cause I like, I couldn't follow it that

often. Like I had to follow it on visual

clues alone, which isn't like the worst,

but it wasn't my ideal. Yeah. And that's

fair. And that's why like, We also saw it

in IMAX recently. IMAX has been

re-releasing movies and A24 had a whole

series. I just want to let people know

that if you are, you know, near an IMAX

theater to check out like the IMAX

website or places they're playing seven

now. And I really want to see it, but it

starts at fucking 10 30 at night. And I'm

like, what? Okay. Yeah, we're not, we're

not that kind of late of night people,

but yeah. And Northman was not like that

because I think it would have had to have

been like in a whole other language.

Yeah. And also I think because it was a

more studio movie like A24, he was

working with a studio

and distributor that's going to be a

little bit more, like he didn't have

final cut on the movie. So the Northman

wasn't like that in terms

of like such harsh dialogue.

And I think no structure wasn't either,

but I was worried about that aspect of

like, it's just, sometimes those movies

are hard to digest for people who are

like, and it's, it's, yeah, it's like,

it's not fair to be sold a Christmas

spooky vampire movie. That's like a mass

appeal movie. And then you go in there

and like imagine if everyone was talking,

like, if everyone was talking like Bill

Skars are, people would be like, what the

fuck is happening? But watching it, I was

concerned because it's like, it doesn't

feel like what you normally get with

current bigger studio films. Like it's,

it's a, it's, it moves slower. It takes

its, it's, it, there's a lot of aspects

of it that I thought like, oh, people are

going to be off put by this. Yes. And

people as for the most part have been

really fucking loving it. Yeah. A lot of

people that like I've interacted, like a

lot of people like it a lot and it's done

really, it got number two at the box

office against a Disney movie Mufasa and

it was above Sonic that like we get like

Christmas day, you know? And there was

like a biopic. Yeah, there was a complete

unknown. Yeah. Biopics are, you know,

they work for a lot of different ages,

you know? And a lot of people like

biopics. Yeah. Especially when you got

Shamamama, what's his name? Timothy

Chamalay. Yeah. Timothy Chamalay.

So that was cool. It was very exciting

that like it did so well when people

loved it. It's a movie that like coming

out of it, I was like, I felt a lot the

same way I felt about Northman, which was

I love the filmmaking so much. I wish I

cared about the characters more. Okay.

And thinking about it more, it's grown on

me. I think it's also, hey, it is fair to

have a feeling about a movie. This

happens all the time. Yeah. When you

first walk out and then those feelings

change as you sit on it. As you process

it. Cause it's, people don't think movies

are like an active thing. I think they

think of them as passive things. And I

think it is an active thing. And I think

it's a good movie will stick with you

after. And like it's a movie I'd like to

see again. Yeah. I don't know if I'll get

a chance to see it in the theater again,

but. I might be willing to see it again.

Yeah. Over time it's grown on me too.

Yeah. It's grown on me. And I think it's

especially cause it's not really my type

of movie, but I I've it's grown on me as

a movie to see. Yeah. I still feel like

I'm chasing that high of the witch. Yes.

I was about to say that if the witch was

in theaters right now though, I'd be

watching the witch first. Yeah. I know

that like, cause I think like with

Eggers, like the filmmaking, like I know

that he personally hates the way the

witch looks because he is, he is a film

nerd. Like it must be on film. He's one

of those guys. Yeah. And the witch was

shot digitally because just the budget

and also because he

wanted to do natural light.

And it's so much harder to do natural

light with film. Yeah. So the witch was

naturally was digitally shot. And he's

like, I've seen videos where he's like, I

can't even look at it.

It's like, calm the fuck down.

(Laughing) It looks

good. Stop being a baby.

But I understand that. He

hasn't gone to, he hasn't seen,

I'm trying to think of some Ryan's world

movie or whatever. Yeah. Go watch Mufasa

and feel better about, but I get it. Like

that's good. Like that you should look

back at your prior going to be like, oh,

it's a, you know, whatever. Either way,

I, the, but the witch like to me,

filmmaking is amazing. But like also

story and characters, like I give a shit

about Thomas and way more than I give a

shit about the characters in his movies

going forward. There was a character in

Nosferatu named Thomas. And I was like,

Thomas and Eggers cinematic universe.

There's somewhat similar names.

Sorry, I'm just being obnoxious, which is

my favorite thing to do, by the way.

But I still love it. It's probably, it's,

it was great. I loved it. It was great

that everyone loved it. Yeah. I was, and

I was surprised too, because when I was

in the movie, I was, I was sitting next

to the people. There was three seats to

the right of me. And each of those three

seats were filled by someone who were,

they were just reacting in ways that I

was like, they're going to hate this

movie. And they were, they were just

being a little, obnoxious for my taste at

a theater. But I also kind of have quite,

Low tolerance. I have a

bit of a low tolerance.

They were doing like, I don't know what

it is, but like people just feel the

need, I have to scroll my phone right now

in the theater. And like, they won't even

be looking at anything. I think they're

just like bored or their attention spans.

So sure. I really think that there is a

compulsion now for people of like, I need

to like feel the glass under my, like, I

think there's just a compulsion of like,

Oh, I like, you're so wired to just feel

that feeling. Yeah. That people like

impulsively just do it. Yes. It's like

when we first started getting cell

phones, I remember like, The buzz in your

pocket. Yeah. The fake buzz. You would

feel like you could swear that your phone

buzz with a notification. And it didn't,

it was a ghost. Yeah. But there was like

this compulsion to check it. And I think

there's now a compulsion, not just to

check your phone, but to like get on it

and scroll and unlock it. Yeah. Well,

because it's now associated with such

good, like almost regulatory feelings. If

you like break down with like the

dopamine, psychology, it's not my

expertise, but like if you listen to

anyone that is in, also people please

know that your phones and the things on

your phones are psychologically designed

to keep you on your phone as long as

possible. Yes. Anyways, back to

Nosferatu. Also side note, if you're

somebody who does have that compulsion,

at least just so you know, your phone has

screen brightness settings, turn the

brightness down. Yeah. Don't pop it out

and then have this brightness like in

beam of light. Or please just leave the

theater if you're going to go on your

phone. I guess that's a lot to ask

nowadays. Yeah. It's the guy- I love the

people that make the tent. Yeah. I was

gonna say the guy next to me and

Nosferatu, he had, I think it was his

coat, and he built a little tent. He kept

like going in his tent, like, well the

phone's in the tent. So it's like, yeah,

I guess that's true for everyone else in

theater, but I'm next to you, man. I can

still see it. It's one thing if the

theater is empty and you're all the way

in the back and the other, everyone is in

front of you. Right. And your phone's, I

guess that's fine. I guess if you're in

the theater all the time,

like we used to be, but it's just also

like, dude, like going to a movie is so

expensive now. Yeah. Why are you wasting

it? Get off your phone. Stop taking

pictures of the title screen to like

share on your Instagram. Right, yes. Like

we know, just take a picture of your

ticket in the lobby. Right. Or take a

picture of the fucking credits or

something. Yeah. Yeah. Credits would be

great. Okay. You know what? This is what

movies will start doing. Okay. There

should be, like every movie starts with

some sort of like Instagram title

sequence. Yeah. That's where we're going.

Yeah. Like the, how like every restaurant

now or every place now has like a little

area where they threw some bullshit up.

Yeah. They're like, take your picture of

me. That's what movies need to do now.

They do that in trailers. They have like

the mini trailer before the trailer

starts. Trailer for the trailer.

(Laughing) We need to capture their

attention in the next three seconds or

they'll never see this movie. (Laughing)

Which is probably true. That's why I sent

them the little pre-trailer because

otherwise we'd be like, what's this green

band I'm going on by the way?

(Laughing) Anyways.

And what it also like, we don't do like

Nosferatu. It's like the whole point is

I'm getting transferred to this untidy

world with the monster. I'm, oh, there's,

it's old. I want to live in the plague

without experiencing the plague. Yeah.

You're taking that away from me. Exactly.

You're reminding me of the modern plague.

I want to think about the old timing

plague when it was romantic.

(Laughing)

The people in my row, when Aaron

Tarrant-Leroy Johnson, he has like the

plague at one point and you see it, like

it's kind of revealed. And

they're like, oh, whatever.

But like in like a

positive endearing. (Laughing)

But yeah, and, but for the most part, I

think the people I was sat next to, even

though they didn't sound like they loved

it, I think they enjoyed themselves

enough. And then coming out of the movie,

I had a friend that was like, did you see

this movie? And I was like, this is

great. I'm so happy that Eggers is

getting this big. And I think it goes to

like our point of like, I guess it's, I

think it shows me at least, like how much

marketing works. Oh yeah. Like, and the

kind of, because I was not expecting

people to come out and make Nosferatu the

number two movie against

fucking Disney Lion King movie.

The only reason Mufasa is out is, and got

number one is because

one, it's a kid's movie.

Two, the Lion King is been an

identifiable property for 30 years.

So all those kids, their

parents grew up on the Lion King.

And Bob Iger, CEO of Disney has said,

straight up, it is cheaper and makes more

money for us to keep making movies with

like, you know, established IPs than to

risk making new IPs and make a loss. It's

very Rob Peter to pay for Paul, in my

opinion, but I'm not a CEO.

I think like for the general public,

probably gets tired of hearing about it,

but for people who are passionate about

movies and care about movies,

there's a lot of cynicism to that stuff.

And I know a lot of general public people

are probably like, I like, like, oh, I

liked the Marvel movies. Yeah, and I

don't care about, I feel like I enjoyed

that that's one thing. I think if you are

passionate about film in the film

industry, you can see why Mufasa, Moana 2

getting as much money as they are, is

disappointing, but why Nosferatu doing as

well as it did is exciting. Yes, it's

like movies are both art and

entertainment and their product, but

they're art and entertainment. And I

think a lot of people just see them as

entertainment. And there are some people

who also see it as art.

And it's the reason why there's like some

cynicism is like, when you have something

like Disney right now, and Disney has

been, Disney in the past has made

beautiful, entertaining art. But right

now, Disney just represents this like

corporate mentality of it is a product

and they only, there's the only emphasis

on the entertainment part.

And something like Nosferatu, like that

was made with the art as the intention.

Yes, like no one has, not many people

have nostalgic memories about Nosferatu,

the 1922 silent film.

Like Robert Egger said, most people that

know about Nosferatu is because he was in

a SpongeBob episode. You know, they just

know him like generally as like, it's one

of the most famous. You just know it from

cultural references. Yes. You've seen the

image of Nosferatu. Yeah, but like, I

haven't seen the silent film, I should,

but like-- There was

a place near us. Yeah.

Playing it with like a person playing

piano. Oh, there was like a live score. I

wanna go to a place. We were gonna go and

then we didn't. It's one of my big

regrets. Ah, that would have been so fun,

cool. Yeah. Anyways, that's ultimately

the point is like, oh, it's great to see

like a movie that like, cause movies can

do both. They can be art, they can be

entertainment and they can be a

successful product for the people who pay

for it. Yes. And it's cool seeing-- And

seeing Nosferatu accomplish all three of

those is really cool and very exciting

for film culture going forward. And to

see how many people reacted positively to

it. It's just been like so great and it's

like cool to like Nosferatu. (Laughing)

It's like cool to like that for-- It is,

like Charlie XCX is posing next to the

poster and like, I love you, Lily Rose

Depper, whatever. Well, yeah, and it's,

cause there's been a ton of great,

specifically horror movies this year, but

just not a lot of them got seen because

just people didn't know about them

because of marketing and people don't go

to the theater as much and all that shit.

Yeah. And I think people would go to the

theater if there was the marketing force

that was behind Nosferatu. Imagine if it

was there for like Strange Darling or if

it was there for Thelma or whatever.

Yeah. It's not like they only popcorn

buckets, but they need the popcorn bucket

mentality, is what I'm saying. Right, and

that's expensive and it's a whole thing.

It's expensive and they don't know if

that will pay off. But the hope is that,

cause these things wane, like when it

comes to studio filmmaking, these things

wane in terms of like how much creative

control the people, the artists have.

And you know, there's like, we go through

these phases where like, you know, the

seventies was like a big, like artist

driven time period because the studios

were financially fucked over from doing a

bunch of overly expensive epics. Like I

think Cleopatra is like the go-to example

of like waste of money will pick up the

studio. Well and like musicals were like,

they were starting to have diminishing

returns. Yes, the fifties and sixties,

and then that's when seventies it was

like, okay, well we fucked up so bad,

we'll just give you money. And then, oh,

there's a lot of amazing movies that came

out of the seventies. And then you have

eighties, there's going to be a lot of

people, there's a lot of great stuff that

happened in the eighties, but eighties

was a time where there was a lot of

products in movies, but I think there was

so great art made. Like there was still,

you know, that was the birth of the big

budget, they're the blockbuster. Yeah.

And then like, it's just, we are

currently at a time where studios are

enforcing more of their opinions on the

things because it's like, and-- Well,

they know they are using psychology and

certain things to get people into

theaters instead of trusting the art and

marketing the art itself. And there's

just so many, like, and that's why now,

but it's starting to fail. Like the,

there's been successes, but there's been

a lot of like big box office failures.

Yes, and it's starting to fail finally.

And it's starting to fail finally. And I

think, "Nas Rachi" represents that with

like, the Northman was, Eggers make a

movie, but we're going to impose our

notes and our opinions, and we're going

to control the product a little bit, and

it failed. And with "Nas Rachi", I don't

know fucking how, but he got a deal where

he had creative control

and it paid off. And it's the hope means

like, okay, maybe that's going to

encourage studios to do what A24 has been

doing of-- Or neon. Or neon, yeah,

there's like the little-- There's a lot

of them. The smaller

distributors have been doing.

There's difference between as a

distributor and a studio, A24 and neon

are mostly distributors. But sometimes

they're both. But sometimes they're both.

But they're not like studio, like

whatever, it doesn't matter. Hopefully

that it'll encourage more of that. Yeah,

well, and then I also like,

it's hard not to, you know,

we are both very upset, I guess, probably

not the upset, we are both very big

non-believers in what Disney has done for

copyright. They have continued over and

over time to abuse the copyright system.

Which I think the general idea is once

you make an IP, you are to like profit

off of it during your life and then

pretty soon, like 20 years after your

death, it's supposed to go into public

domain. Yeah, I think it was originally

just supposed to be like a certain amount

of time. Which I think is fair.

You create something, you have a certain

amount of time, whether that's your

lifestyle, I think it should just be

like, you have 10 years where you own

that thing. Yeah, I don't know exactly

what the best avenue is. I think it was

time-based because that's what they,

basically it's, there was like a time

junction of like how long that was. And

what Disney had been consistently doing

was getting Congress, and this is all

American copyright, was getting Congress

to push back that limit. So like, you

create something and in 10 years, it

becomes public domain. So the big thing

was like, oh shit, Mickey is coming up to

be in public domain. Okay, changed the

law. You create something and for 30

years, you own it before it goes into,

okay, and then up to like a hundred

years, like just because they didn't

wanna lose the ability to be the only

ones to make money off of the properties

that they had, they were pushing back

copyright for everybody. And we are-- And

we all suffer, and our art that is

commodifiable, suffers because of it. And

we applaud people like Verdrew, who made

the People's Joker and used her, I don't

know, tenacity to, I don't know if that's

the right word, but it

feels right. Sure, yeah.

It spiritually feels right to make some,

like the art that she wanted to make. And

I think that's awesome, and not being

afraid of copyright or whatever. Yeah.

And it's paid off for her. Yeah, and

that's what's conceptual. I get that

people will probably look at like, okay,

but like when Winnie the Pooh went into

public domain, someone just made some

shitty-- Horror movie. Horror movie. But

like, it means that something like the

People's Joker, where you can take these

characters, these characters mean

something culturally, you can take them

and do something different. It's not just

like, what does Warner Brothers, who is

the current rights owner, because they

bought DC Comics, so they have the right

to do with the Joker character, who gets

to make a Joker movie?

Todd Phillips. Todd Phillips gets to make

one now. Yeah, and Union Buster, by the

way. Motherfucker. Or anti-Union.

Anti-Union, at least in the 2008. I guess

not a Union Buster, but-- Yeah, 2008, he

was anti-Union. I don't know what his

current stance is. I'm skeptical. I'm

skeptical too. Also, he was all like, you

can't make comedies because, wokeness,

which, what that means is, that the

studios, hey, there's not comedies

anymore, and studios decided it's not

worth it. Yes. So his little fucking baby

reaction of, you can't make comedies

because of wokeness, what that means is,

the studios said, we're not paying for

comedies. And instead of being a, he's a

little fucking baby.

Like, okay, well, you probably made

enough money off those shitty ass

hangover movies. Apologies if you like

those movies. Yeah. Make your own comedy.

Yeah. And get somebody to just do good. I

saw at least five hangover DVDs, or

Blu-rays, at the two Goodwills we went to

this week. So, not only did you make a

bunch of money in, because that's when

people still bought physical media

regularly. Maybe he got a bad, maybe he

didn't get a lot of money off those

movies, I'm sure he did. Finance your own

comedy. Don't go through the studio

system. Yeah, go find a financier. Yeah.

Some of the best movies that came out

today, like this year, were financed by

people who went to go find their own

financier. And they didn't ask the

studios, because the studios weren't

gonna help make their movies. That's why

some of the best movies now have 27

production credits

before the movie starts.

(Laughing) Which it's like, I will sit

through as many production logos if I

have to. If you made a

artistic vision that,

is at least a vision. Yeah.

Speaking of artistic visions. Yes. So

that's how we spread our Christmas. Yeah,

Nosferatu. I just wanna say,

I'm just very happy for

Nosferatu's success. Yes.

To me, I hope that there's a lesson that

marketing your movie means something, and

we should market new visions, or at least

really fucking old visions come to life.

It's been like 100 years, it's fine.

(Laughing) Yeah, I think hopefully it

means, because ultimately the marketing,

it's expensive and the smaller

distributors don't necessarily have as

much money to. No, and I hope this is

inspiring people to go movies, I guess.

And then also, I want to make it as,

Moana 2 is one of the most successful

animated sequels, or something, it did it

really well, I think. And in case this

isn't common knowledge, I know this, but

not everyone knows this, Moana 2 was a

scrapped TV special. Yeah. And what?

That's the rumor, at least. It's the

rumor, I don't know if that's completely

confirmed or not, at least that's what

everyone's, it was gonna be a show, I

think, or a series. Basically, Disney saw

a gap in the market that they could make

money for a November

Thanksgiving release.

And they just took whatever they had

available to them, and they put it in

there, and it did well because

it's a property that people know, and

it's just, I don't know, it's just really

disappointing because we have

confirmation of Bob Iger saying,

let's not invest in new ideas. And we

have confirmation of them saying, let's

use nostalgia to basically play with

people's emotions. And I guess that's

disappointing, especially when on our New

Year's Eve, we just saw a movie, again,

that was in theaters at one point, which

is Twilight. And I have so much to say

about Twilight. Yeah, so we specifically

was, again, at the end of the day,

at the last picture house, this theater

that's inside the boy. I've been seeing

rowdy screenings of Twilight. There was,

I think, The Varsity and Des Moines, and

I wanted to visit there, we just haven't

gone to Des Moines in a long time. And

I've been seeing these types of

screenings around, where

interactive rowdy screenings.

And I was so excited that the last

picture house was getting a rowdy

screening of Twilight, because if you're

unaware, Twilight has been

through a bit of a renaissance,

where I think there is like,

the general basic timeline is when

Twilight was, first movies were getting

released and stuff. I think it came out

in 2009-ish. Yeah, something like that.

The first movie. And you've heard the

sentence, still a better

love story than Twilight.

Twilight was so over the top, made fun

of, not just because it was bad. I think

there was, I personally feel like there

was more insidious reasons. It's because

it was a very female-driven fan base. It

was a lot of younger females too. And

there's consistently always, if young

women like something, we have to,

and I think it's gotten better in the

last 10 years-ish, but we have to make

fun and put down anything

that women like in mass.

And that's been a thing

since the fucking Beatles.

We were watching a ContraPoints video, we

haven't finished it all

because it's three hours long.

But the beginning first chapter was

about, how women have been criticized for

reading the wrong things, do the wrong

things. They have a vanity in what they

read and they're always doing something

wrong. Yeah. And it was like, and they're

stupid and all these things. Yeah, it's,

I mean, everything, you can look at

anything if you grew up and throughout

history, I guess. But people probably

remember the time where romance novels

was the big joke. Yes. It's embarrassing

to read romance novels.

But then there was never that same thing

when it came to fucking Tom Cl-- Nobody's

like, you're reading another weird spy

movie where our book where the guys--

Are being spies, you know? Yeah. Or

like-- Not like in mass like that. That's

not like a, I've never heard that as a

common joke. People make a joke, but it's

not like, yeah. It's not so across the

board. And the same thing with movies.

There is a ton of like-- People demonize

rom coms all the time as if they have

nothing special to offer the table as if

they don't provide good context. Like as

if they're like, you know, it's just like

stupid movies and they're awful and the

people who are in them and the people who

watch them are just stupid, vapid, dumb,

nothing people. And I'm so much better

than them. But then like there's an

action movie and like, well, that's

actually very good. Yeah, that's actually

mean something. And I think like the

perfect, like Twilight's a great example

of where, which are the things she talked

about in the video, but like where

there is, Twilight plays into a certain

fantasy. Yes. And that fantasy isn't

necessarily a healthy thing. Yeah. But

like that's an exciting fantasy. And

it's, people are so quick to say, that

media is bad. And dangerous. And

dangerous. But it's like, okay, but then

you have, I know time wise John Wick does

it. I can't think of any action movies

from that time period. But like a John

Wick, for example, or some kind of like

action movie where it's like-- Jason

Bourne? Jason Bourne. Where it's like,

yeah, there's a fantasy to be like, I'm a

guy who can jump off walls and kick

people the best. I'm the best at punching

people. And it's like-- I'm a big hero.

Yeah. And there is a fantasy in that.

Like there has always been the fantasy

of, I was married, but then my wife got

killed and now I'm avenging my wife. And

because I'm avenging my wife, it's okay

that I'm murdering a bunch of people.

Yes. And that is seen as like, well, and

then if you say like, that's bad, that's

it's like, oh, violence. And there's the,

you treated it with the appropriateness

of like, it's just a fucking movie.

Nobody is gonna watch that movie and then

go act out those violent things. And once

I, and like, if they do, it's not the

movie's responsibility. It's like, it's

the, we don't have a moral obligation to

censor ourselves in that way, you know?

But if it's a story that evolves around

like, oh, she's in love with a bad boy.

Yeah, she's loved and like-- We gotta do

something because women are so dumb.

They'll go out and if a young girl sees a

vampire in her school, she'll try to date

him because of this, but that's

dangerous. Well, it's also like, yeah,

like, and people also make fun of it

because it comes from like a, it's Mormon

and it's text, which I can understand the

apprehension, but also I think honestly

looking back to like, and there are some

more deeper Mormon lore the further the

books go along. But like-- You talking

about-- Let's not get into it. Okay.

But if we break down the basic dynamic

of, and there's a couple of basic

dynamics going on, is one, this, you

know, Edward, dangerous, and he, you

know, like being in love with someone who

is, you know, a predator. And they say

that in the movie, you know? They equate

him to a lion. He calls himself a

predator in terms of being a vampire

because he has to prey on humans or

animals or whatever.

And like, so there's that dynamic of, you

know, I'm just powerless in the

situation. And growing up, at least in a

Christian evangelical, like I grew up in

purity culture. And I wasn't super into

the Twilight books personally, but I

never like minded them. I was always

like, do your thing, you know? Right,

yeah, yeah. Not that I had the chance to

say that, but like, I would go see him. I

like read the first book and stuff. And

I'm just like personally not the biggest

fantasy person. And that's really what it

comes down to. But like, I, you know,

support your right to

have those fantasy dreams.

But having the dream of like, you know,

I'm like being in a purity culture and

feeling like, well, I have so much

responsibility to remain

pure, whatever that means.

But if someone else does it, that's not

my fault, you know? Right, yeah. I wasn't

necessarily wanting it. That goes with no

fraud to it. It's the similar dynamic.

It's literally the same dynamic of I'm a

sexual being, but I'm not allowed to be

sexual. If there was just this vampire

who took advantage of me, then that would

be fine. Right, yeah. Which is, that's

like the Dracula story. Yes. It's 100%

the, and that's, Twilight

is very similar in that.

But it relates to, you know, that Mormon

or like purity culture thing that is

pervasive to this day. Not as bad as when

I was growing up or whatever.

I hope.

There's also the idea of like, I'm the

only one that can tame this vampire.

Like, so there's like power in that too.

And when you are in those powerless

situations in a church,

like, and this is the

same in Nosferatu as well.

Helen, I think, is it Helen or Alan? I

couldn't tell. I think it's Helen. I'm

not sure. Okay. Main character, Kristen

Stewart, Helen, whatever.

They're the only ones that have power to

do something in this situation. What are

you talking about? What's the other main

character in Twilight?

Isabella and the main character in

Nosferatu. Helen. So both of them, they

are both the only ones that have power to

do something about the situation.

Isabella is the only one that can control

Edward. Like, even though he wants to

like, kill her and have her blood,

her, his love for her

and her, like, I guess,

whatever. Resent of lilacs or whatever is

so powerful, like, that he's able to

contain himself and control himself.

There is a desire and

that's literally the same thing.

Sex with me will stop the plague. Yeah.

You know? Right, yeah, yeah.

There is, and in like the later books,

having the triangle of like, you know,

how many people try to ask Bella out in

the first movie? It's nonstop. Yeah, they

are all so attracted to her and she's

like, wait, what's going on? I'm just

like an average girl. And that's very

funny because the way it comes out is a

little awkward. But when you're a

teenager, you don't

give a fuck. Yeah, right.

You're just watching one like, oh,

imagine to be there. Imagine if I had all

this attention because

when you're a teenager,

and like, I think that's just a

personhood thing where like, what if

everyone loved me? That would be so

great. I feel most people don't feel like

they have enough love

in their lives. Yeah.

Especially a teenage girl, especially

when the world is shouting at them that

they're stupid. What if instead in this

fantasy, the world, everyone's asking me

out, everyone loves me, everyone wants to

be my friend, everyone, and I'm just

like, I'm just so cool about it. Yeah,

and then there's like the super cool sexy

group. And one of them is like, don't

even bother with him. But then he loves

you. At first you think he

just thinks you're stinky,

but then he actually loves you. So my

point being is that if we take down the

basic dynamics of Twilight, they're

pretty much the same as Nosferatu. Yeah.

But in practice, Twilight, the books, and

more so the movie, is a little awkward. I

think that's more almost, because the

movie itself is awkward and some of the

dialogue is awkward, but I say give

fucking 14 year olds a break. Right.

Okay, you never liked

anything cringy in your whole life.

(Laughing) So what's nice about the Rowdy

screenings is that it's people who are

adults now that may have loved these

books or continued to love these books,

or love these books as children,

teenagers or whatever. Or adult women

too. Yeah. But I'm relating it to people

like me, who are like, that might've been

cringy, but I take ownership of it.

Right, yeah. And I think that's so

fucking cool. Yeah, it's great. And

that's why I love the Twilight

Renaissance and I love people being like,

fuck it. I'm gonna wear this because I'm

a grown person, you can't hurt me for

liking this. I will like this out of

spite for how you treated me almost. Hell

yeah. And maybe not everyone's thinking

about it this deeply, but our theater was

laughing at most of the movie while

appreciating when I was 14, I thought

this was the best fucking thing in the

world. There was lots of people who were

quoting along with it. Yes. They know it

so well. Well, a lot of people knew the

big quotes and there would be tension

right before he would say, say it, what

year are you? A

vampire and everyone cheer.

(Laughing) That was one of my favorite

parts was the say it, when she's like--

That's a famous scene. Right, and it's

like, I love people going like, fucking

say it. (Laughing) There was one girl in

the row behind us and she was carrying

the whole thing. Cause I think her

theater, I wish it was almost a little

rowdier. Yeah, I think-- So I think they

didn't advertise the rowdiness, they

didn't have an introduction like they

usually do. I think they should have,

yeah, they usually have an introduction

and they were also like fucking busy.

They were so busy. But a lot of times

they'll have introduction for these,

cause they did one for the room. Yes.

They do a lot of special events there.

They've done them for like random movies

too. It was a little disappointing. I

wish they did an introduction. I think

they should have had an introduction. And

like warmed people up. Hey, just so you

know, this is the rowdiest, crazy. I

would have loved if there was almost

like, like an opener for the movie.

(Laughing) Like I think there should have

been like a comedian or a drag queen or

like someone like, Mary, if you're

listening to this, probably not.

She would have been great at like, let's

do a little PowerPoint and like, kind of

introduced the concept of that. Cause it

was just said rowdy, but it was like, it

wasn't, I don't think advertised as, and

so I think people were a little anxious.

Some people went to that screening we

heard and were like, what the fuck's

going on? Why are people yelling during

the movie? It was like their first time

seeing it. Yeah, and they were like, oh,

you went to the wrong screening.

That's a cool person who's like, I'm

going to spend my day here finally

watching "Twilight" in theater. Wait, why

is everyone yelling?

What's happening? Oh my God.

But I thought, I was hoping it'd be a

little bit rowdy here. Yeah, I think

there was, especially in the beginning, a

little awkwardness, people didn't quite

know. I started clapping right away to

help, and I think it helped. Yeah, I

think it helped. I think you broke the

tension. A little bit. Cause I think it

was like when Edward showed up or

something. Yeah, well, and then like,

yeah, I started like, I clapped for the

title screen. Yeah. And there was just

different times, like at the beginning

where I'm like, doesn't feel like people

are gonna react loud enough. That's what

we want, we want the rowdy screening. And

like, there needs to be a little bit

more, maybe rules or, and there's those

times in the movie too. But I was hoping

that there would be a standing ovation at

the end, but everyone just fucking left.

So I felt a little embarrassed by that. I

think it doesn't help that it's one of

those movies where it ends, but then it

goes into like a montage of this actor

played this person. Yeah. This is a weird

choice for movies in general. I just,

there was a lady in the row behind us and

she was caring. Cause like the thing was

like, oh, I don't, I didn't know that

Stephanie Meyer had a cameo in this

movie. And she called it out right away.

And I was like, oh, thank God. She's

like, "I quit herself." Yeah, whoever you

are, you win New Year's Eve darling

title. You did best at rowdy Twilight

screening. You did the best of the

Twilight screening. That would be great

too. And I hope the last picture house

does more like interactive movies. Like I

would love to have hosts for it and

stuff, you know? Well, I

think cause we've gone to,

they do re screenings in the summer.

Cause they have like a outside roof

theater. Yeah. Which I think it seems

like they were selling out constantly. Oh

yeah. You would have to buy yours like as

soon as they announced it if you wanted a

ticket. And then like the room sold out

or did really sold out at the point where

they had to do a second screening. Yes.

The thing they played the thing for just

cause it's winter. Like they did a lot of

a... That, yeah. And I think like,

especially interactive things,

but like I, it feels like in theater, we

were talking about with "Nostra Roxy"

like they, IMAX has been putting out

things. It feels like there's a sense of

like, hey, we can just play movies that

already exist. Yes. When an interstellar

went in IMAX, it became top 10 on

letterbox. It did really well actually. A

lot of the reason understandably why

people don't go to movies is it's very

expensive and it's a gamble if you don't

know what the movie is. Yes. And if

you're like, oh, I know I like that movie

or I've, I know about that movie. I've

heard people like that movie. I've always

wanted to see it. To see it in a theater

is cool. It's like, oh, it's a great

opportunity to see it in a theater. Cause

I'm sorry, seeing a movie in a theater

it's a better experience. Yeah. And

especially, but then on top of that, the

fun kind of rowdy, it's something that's

like, this is what a theater can provide

that a streaming service at home can't.

Yes. Like you're in a crowd with people

and you're, there's an energy. Let's make

this a party. Yeah. We're all having fun.

Laughing in a big group is such a fucking

fun thing. Yes. And. And the friends we

went with after the screen, they're like,

that was so great. I would love to do

that again. And I don't think they

necessarily knew that, they haven't been

to a room screen before. Things like that

happened. Yeah. Cause like, I hope that I

wanna, if you're listening to this and

you agree, please also send letters or

emails to the last person cause I want

them to do the whole series. Yes. Like

don't wait till next new year's. Let's go

to the next one now. Yeah. Let's do a new

room. It's werewolf time, God damn it. Oh

yeah. Someone was like, wait, no team

Jacob here? Yeah. Jacob's not really in

the first movie a time. Yeah, when Jacob

showed up, nobody applaud. (Laughing)

Someone called us out on it. I think the

character who got the biggest response

was the. Carlisle. Yeah, the Carlisle.

Yeah, he was. He was such a great. Once

again, the queen in the room behind us.

She was like, that's my doctor.

Yeah, it is. Cause like, he has a great

entrance too. Cause he like busts through

the hospital door. Oh

yeah, yeah, yeah. He comes in.

But yeah, I hope they do more of those.

And I hope that it's specifically

Twilight, but other just cause there's

tons of like, cause like the person, one

of the people we talked with, they

mentioned something along the lines of

how like, this is the new generations,

Rocky Horror. Yes. But it's like, there's

a lot of like movies like that, where

it's like, you enjoy the movie in a

different way. Yes. Where it's like,

cause like, it's not like everyone was

there in a hate Twilight. We were all

there. No, we like loved it while

recognizing its flaws. Yeah. And I think

that's beautiful. Yeah, and there's like,

cause it's like, you can have, when you

were, when you were, it didn't apply to

me. I was a grown and not a lady when it

came out. And I shouldn't say not a lady,

I just, it wasn't my thing, but there's

so much fun stuff that's not making fun

of it, but just weird choices were like,

when, when. There's like a lot of weird,

like almost comedy shots in the movie and

the dialogue's very stilted and the voice

that Edward, like Robert Pattinson uses

for Edward is very strange. There's a

famous scene with the diamonds where he's

like, oh yeah, he's. I'm gonna bring you,

cause I'm gonna show you what I really

am. I'm a monster. Yeah, the monster, and

he's just glistening with glowy diamonds

in the sun. Yes. And she's like,

appropriately like, you're beautiful. And

he's like, you know, this is the skin of

a killer Bella. Like that's funny. Yeah.

I'm sorry, that's just funny. And the way

it shot is funny, but then even funnier

to me at least after that is then they go

deeper into the forest, they have this

conversation and they're talking about

it. And he just is in trees, like he's

just squatting in tree branches. Yes,

like a little owl or something. There's

so many little choices that are very

funny. And we can appreciate that as

children, we are younger us, 10 years ago

us, we shouldn't, 15 years ago us. We

shouldn't have been like treated that

way. Yeah. Whoa, saying like, yeah, it's

bad. Right. You didn't have to give us

such a hard time about it. Both can be

true. Yeah. But yeah, so also a very

great couple of tree movies. It was a

great way to end that year and start the

new year. Yes, yes, yes. I am so excited

for the filmmaking to come and films to

come at the last picture house. I hope

they do more events like that.

Very excited.

And I also think watching movies in ways

that like movie, it shows that movies can

be enjoyed more than one way. Right,

yeah. And, cause I think people

sometimes, not everyone, but some people

have a very narrow view of how a movie is

to be enjoyed. Yeah. And that's why

things like The Room are a great starter

of like, you could enjoy this, but then

also not enjoy it in a way where like,

this was a great time, you know? When we

saw The Room, it was- That was a great

viewing. It was with Greg Sestero, if you

don't know, he's Mark in the movie. And

he's been doing things where he does

this, but he does some Q and A before and

after, but he was talking about that

topic of enjoying movies. And his example

was he loves The Revenant. Yeah. One of

his favorite movies here, he will always

remember singing in theater, fucking

loved it. But that scene where Tommy

comes in on the birthday party and says,

"Good job on the birthday party, Lisa.

You invited all my friends. Good

thinking." (Lisa Laughing) There's just

something about that that's so enjoyable.

And it's like, yeah, you can look at it

in terms of just like, that's bad

dialogue. It's a bad ADR. It doesn't make

sense. Humans don't talk like that. All

of that's true, but it's compelling as

hell to fucking watch. And he's like, I

can watch that. I've seen that hundreds

of times and it's still enjoyable. I

don't know if I could watch The Revenant

that many times. Yes.

And I think it's, things like this are

good for films because it gives people a

more dynamic way of looking at film. And

enjoying film and enjoying art. And like

not everything's still black and white.

Things are best lived in gray, which is

like the color scale of

Nosferatu in theaters now.

(Both Laughing) Okay, I gotta wrap this

up. We're gonna go to the movies. Also, I

have to go to the bathroom. Thank you for

listening to this

podcast. I'll see you later. Bye.