Welcome to Josh and Lou, talk to you.
Grab your crew because this year it's new
that we talk to you. (Laughing) Hey
everybody, welcome to Josh and Lou, talk
to you, renewed. (Laughing) Yeah.
She called it that. Make a new logo
that's all like, triple X-y. Well,
renewed, triple X-y. Well, like that
triple X is like, no, but like the, we're
fam, the, what's his name? The guy who's
big and bald and he's in the car movies.
And he's diesel? Yeah, the triple X. He
can remember he's in the car movie
because his last name is Diesel. Oh my
God, I never thought of that.
And a Vin, like a vehicle identification
number. Party was born,
that's why they're so good.
Because he's meant for this role.
God put him on this earth to make car
movies. You know what other roles people
are meant for? What?
Vampires.
(Laughing) Okay, so we're gonna talk
about Twilight and Nosferatu, cause
they're both vampire movies and we
watched Nosferatu on Christmas and we
watched Twilight on New Year's Eve at the
last picture house, the newest theater in
town. It's a cool new theater. Watch out
for that cool kid, he's
got a cool theater. Okay.
Who's the cool kid? Last picture house.
Okay. He has theaters
inside of him. Oh my God.
It's a horror film. What the fuck? That
sounds like a very like--
It's very Willy Wonka coated.
I was gonna say, it's very French. It's
like, what's it about? It's about this
boy who has a movie theaters inside him.
There you go inside and see movie theater
inside the boy. Do you know what it
takes? It's like, what?
I'd watch that. Yeah,
that's a fucking cool movie.
He has like a mouth,
let's not get into it.
(Laughing) Since he tells him how you
enter the boy to be in the movie theater.
Also you said movie theaters. So he's
got-- He's got multiple theaters inside
him. Yeah, there's multiple screens. Oh,
I was thinking multiple buildings. Like
you go inside of him and it's like this,
like-- I would say that there's two
theaters inside of The Last Picture
House. Yes, I guess that's fair. Yeah,
there's houses, theater houses. Theater
can be multiple things. Okay. It can be
the boy, apparently. Some infinities are
bigger than other infinities.
So there's two theaters inside of The
Last Picture House which is also a
theater, like as a genre of venue. All
right, so that's good. It's like Kleenex.
(Laughing)
You know. You love
sleeping. But it's okay.
Like branding, like Kleenex is the,
like-- But then like tissues. Yeah,
right, yeah. And then there's also a lot
of tissues in the box. (Laughing)
I see, I see. Like, I think there's-- We
promised ourselves we wouldn't go off the
rails immediately and we took us, like
how long have we been recording? We've
woken our orange cat up. In like three
minutes. Okay, so speed run immediately
off the rails. Hold on, I gotta get out,
I gotta check off the list. Boy with
theaters inside of him. Check.
Theaters equal theaters.
Equals tissues.
Theaters is to theaters as tissue is to
Kleenex. (Laughing) Okay, check.
Do you have any, wait, we have to wait
till, oh my god. Oh yeah, she's falling.
She's trying to clean herself when we
know how loud she is when she cleans
herself. Yeah, one of our cats is a very
loud cleaner. I don't know how, she's so
small, but it just echoes. Like, oh my
god, please be careful. You just don't--
She's almost falling off the sofa. Yeah,
she's just so snoozy that she doesn't
have her balance yet. She gets so snoozy.
(Clearing Throat) So anyways, yeah, so
for Christmas, we saw Nosferatu. Yes,
okay, so let me set the
scene. Yeah. Three years ago.
(Laughing)
Nosferatu was in production or whatever.
And I saw a long ass time ago that
Nosferatu was getting a Christmas
release. And I was like, that's
interesting. A Robert Eggers movie
getting a Christmas release. This is
gonna be one of the most interesting
Christmas movie going days in a long
time. Because I was like, Eggers movies
are not exactly like crowd pleasers and
stuff. Yeah, normally Christmas movies
are like The Last Showman or whatever.
Yes, they're more hopeful or they're
comedies or big family-friendly action
movies and stuff. But Nosferatu got
second at the box
office, which is very exciting.
And it's reached a bigger market than I
was anticipating at all, because I
remember last year, I mean, I guess we're
gonna be in this tiny little theater next
year, watching this movie. And I don't
know, I just also thought how much
confidence they had in the project to do
such a big day, like Christmas day. And
then they were right, though, because I
think a lot of people were really excited
about it. Yeah, for me, because I don't
keep up with that stuff as well. Yeah,
I'm better at keeping up with like--
Releases and when and all that. And for
me, that moment hit when we found out
they were gonna be doing the popcorn
container, because that's the new trend
of movies that we've been made fun of, I
think Scream was the first one. Scream
was the first one, and I did get the
ghostface bucket, because I was gonna use
it as a planter. And I did, until we got
cats, and then I only have spider plants
now, and not very many of them, because
our other cat, Juniper, or Juju for sure,
she is obsessed with spider plants.
And if I brush up against a spider plant
and she's around, she is obsessed for the
next hour. Give me that plant. Give me
that plant. Well, and spider plants are
slightly psychoactive to cats. So it
makes it irresistible. Anyways. But yeah,
so there was like the Naseratu coffin
popcorn bin, and I was like, it's like
such a weird fucking moment, because like
Eggers has been, you know, the art house,
quote unquote. Like it's very-- He's
like, when we have
hereditary popcorn tin, you know.
Oh shit, what would the, okay. This would
never happen for two reasons. One, it's
very inappropriate. Two, it's a spoiler.
But what if the popcorn tin was the head
of the top? That's what I was thinking.
That would make the most sense, I think.
And it's like upside down, so like you're
eating out of the neck.
That's creativity there, my love. That's.
(Laughing) But like, spoilers. Uh. And
then like the Northman, which was like
his bigger movie. Yeah. Like bombed, it
did better as it went on with the
streaming and stuff, but like in theaters
it did not do well. Well it's also with
such a big budget production. Also it
came out a lot closer to like the
theaters reopening and stuff. Yeah, it
was definitely like victim of like people
weren't quite ready to. And so there's,
you know, those two forces. And also like
people just have been going to, it seems
like going to movies a lot less, so. Yes,
I think especially since COVID, I think
over, I think this is why "Nosferatu" is
giving me hope, but we'll make that into
a different discussion. But yeah, it was
just, it was crazy. It was like they're
doing a popcorn bucket for the movie.
What is happening? Yeah. And then like,
yeah, then it just kept getting more and
more buzz. And it was like, oh, they're
marketing this to everybody. Yeah. And to
our surprise, people were like, fuck
yeah, let's see "Nosferatu." And then
people were like, that was great. Yeah,
and they had a good time. Yeah. I have
been so shocked and like pleasantly
surprised. Like, thank you, like, yay,
I'm so happy that everyone knows
"Nosferatu." Because I thought, because
like going into it, there was like the
big build and I was like, in my head I'm
like, oh, this is gonna, my pessimistic
side was like, this is gonna be a thing
where it's like, they're throwing all
this money behind marketing it. People
are gonna go see it, and it's going to be
an Eggers movie. And people are gonna be
like off put and like, oh, what the fuck
was that? Cause. I thought it was gonna
be like a spring breakers moment. Yeah,
where people went to see like, what are
these Disney celebrities up to? Yeah,
they're doing their first adult film. And
then it was a Harmony Korii. (Laughing)
And I remember, like I was one of those
people, but then I went to see, I was
like, I wasn't put off by it cause I
remember the theater experience so well.
Where like everyone was so upset after
the movie. And I was like, yeah, I mean,
that's definitely not what I expected,
but it was kind of
interesting. (Laughing)
I worked in a movie theater when that
came out. Yeah. And it was so much fun.
Cause like, I like would ask people, what
did you think? And like people were so
mad. Like we got a lot of people who were
like, I want my money back. (Laughing)
What the fuck was that? (Laughing) It's
like, have you seen Gumbo? Gumbo? It's
like, what is that? And I was, what is
that? I had an open mind.
So I pride myself on that.
(Laughing) Which by the way, it's very, I
think, go watch Spring Breakers. It's an
underappreciated movie. It was 824 is
like first big thing. Yeah, that was
their first, that was like their, yeah.
And I think go into it realizing, maybe
there doesn't need to be
any good guys in the movie.
(Laughing) Maybe James Franco, real life
villain. (Laughing) He's also a villain
in the movie and that's okay.
Yeah. Anyways, but then like watching
when we saw, cause we went to go see him
on Christmas with some friends and we
like, I remember in the theater watching
it and it's not, my big fear with Eggers
is he's like, he's what he, his whole
thing is like, he's obsessed with making
it feel as much like the real time as it
can. Like the witch. He's obsessed. He's
obsessed. The witch and the lighthouse
are both like, people talk like how they
talk then. And it makes it a little bit
hard to follow it because we don't talk
like that anymore. Captions
are great. Captions are great.
We, I recently saw the lighthouse in
IMAX. It was my first time seeing it.
And I think captions would have helped a
lot. Yeah, I mean, you're so-- With my
experience. But I also don't know if I
would have loved it on its own. Either
way. Yeah, cause you're out-- If I had
captions, I would feel a lot better
though. Probably, cause you already have
some audio issues with dialogue. It
depends on the dialogue. That's why
certain artists I gravitate to towards
more, or like, I really like SZA's music,
but she sings, I think it's called a
cursive, I think, she has been accused of
or her style is. I don't know. She does
cursive singing and like
Halsey is like that too.
But I have to kind of, oh my God, Orange,
you're so loud. I have to kind of like
read the lyrics, like as I'm listening to
the music or like, you know, after the
first couple of times, because I have no
fucking clue what they're saying, even
though they make really good music. But
for me, it's so hard to
understand what they're saying.
And so you had like, the sea guys, you
know, sea workers, sailors,
that's what I'm looking for.
Sea workers, you know, sea job men.
You add them like in that like talk and
it was like, it's so much and they're all
mad at each other or they're mumbling or
whatever. And then everything's crazy and
like, I appreciate it. But like, I had no
idea, like because I couldn't tell what
they were fucking saying,
it took a lot of the enjoyment out of it.
Cause I like, I couldn't follow it that
often. Like I had to follow it on visual
clues alone, which isn't like the worst,
but it wasn't my ideal. Yeah. And that's
fair. And that's why like, We also saw it
in IMAX recently. IMAX has been
re-releasing movies and A24 had a whole
series. I just want to let people know
that if you are, you know, near an IMAX
theater to check out like the IMAX
website or places they're playing seven
now. And I really want to see it, but it
starts at fucking 10 30 at night. And I'm
like, what? Okay. Yeah, we're not, we're
not that kind of late of night people,
but yeah. And Northman was not like that
because I think it would have had to have
been like in a whole other language.
Yeah. And also I think because it was a
more studio movie like A24, he was
working with a studio
and distributor that's going to be a
little bit more, like he didn't have
final cut on the movie. So the Northman
wasn't like that in terms
of like such harsh dialogue.
And I think no structure wasn't either,
but I was worried about that aspect of
like, it's just, sometimes those movies
are hard to digest for people who are
like, and it's, it's, yeah, it's like,
it's not fair to be sold a Christmas
spooky vampire movie. That's like a mass
appeal movie. And then you go in there
and like imagine if everyone was talking,
like, if everyone was talking like Bill
Skars are, people would be like, what the
fuck is happening? But watching it, I was
concerned because it's like, it doesn't
feel like what you normally get with
current bigger studio films. Like it's,
it's a, it's, it moves slower. It takes
its, it's, it, there's a lot of aspects
of it that I thought like, oh, people are
going to be off put by this. Yes. And
people as for the most part have been
really fucking loving it. Yeah. A lot of
people that like I've interacted, like a
lot of people like it a lot and it's done
really, it got number two at the box
office against a Disney movie Mufasa and
it was above Sonic that like we get like
Christmas day, you know? And there was
like a biopic. Yeah, there was a complete
unknown. Yeah. Biopics are, you know,
they work for a lot of different ages,
you know? And a lot of people like
biopics. Yeah. Especially when you got
Shamamama, what's his name? Timothy
Chamalay. Yeah. Timothy Chamalay.
So that was cool. It was very exciting
that like it did so well when people
loved it. It's a movie that like coming
out of it, I was like, I felt a lot the
same way I felt about Northman, which was
I love the filmmaking so much. I wish I
cared about the characters more. Okay.
And thinking about it more, it's grown on
me. I think it's also, hey, it is fair to
have a feeling about a movie. This
happens all the time. Yeah. When you
first walk out and then those feelings
change as you sit on it. As you process
it. Cause it's, people don't think movies
are like an active thing. I think they
think of them as passive things. And I
think it is an active thing. And I think
it's a good movie will stick with you
after. And like it's a movie I'd like to
see again. Yeah. I don't know if I'll get
a chance to see it in the theater again,
but. I might be willing to see it again.
Yeah. Over time it's grown on me too.
Yeah. It's grown on me. And I think it's
especially cause it's not really my type
of movie, but I I've it's grown on me as
a movie to see. Yeah. I still feel like
I'm chasing that high of the witch. Yes.
I was about to say that if the witch was
in theaters right now though, I'd be
watching the witch first. Yeah. I know
that like, cause I think like with
Eggers, like the filmmaking, like I know
that he personally hates the way the
witch looks because he is, he is a film
nerd. Like it must be on film. He's one
of those guys. Yeah. And the witch was
shot digitally because just the budget
and also because he
wanted to do natural light.
And it's so much harder to do natural
light with film. Yeah. So the witch was
naturally was digitally shot. And he's
like, I've seen videos where he's like, I
can't even look at it.
It's like, calm the fuck down.
(Laughing) It looks
good. Stop being a baby.
But I understand that. He
hasn't gone to, he hasn't seen,
I'm trying to think of some Ryan's world
movie or whatever. Yeah. Go watch Mufasa
and feel better about, but I get it. Like
that's good. Like that you should look
back at your prior going to be like, oh,
it's a, you know, whatever. Either way,
I, the, but the witch like to me,
filmmaking is amazing. But like also
story and characters, like I give a shit
about Thomas and way more than I give a
shit about the characters in his movies
going forward. There was a character in
Nosferatu named Thomas. And I was like,
Thomas and Eggers cinematic universe.
There's somewhat similar names.
Sorry, I'm just being obnoxious, which is
my favorite thing to do, by the way.
But I still love it. It's probably, it's,
it was great. I loved it. It was great
that everyone loved it. Yeah. I was, and
I was surprised too, because when I was
in the movie, I was, I was sitting next
to the people. There was three seats to
the right of me. And each of those three
seats were filled by someone who were,
they were just reacting in ways that I
was like, they're going to hate this
movie. And they were, they were just
being a little, obnoxious for my taste at
a theater. But I also kind of have quite,
Low tolerance. I have a
bit of a low tolerance.
They were doing like, I don't know what
it is, but like people just feel the
need, I have to scroll my phone right now
in the theater. And like, they won't even
be looking at anything. I think they're
just like bored or their attention spans.
So sure. I really think that there is a
compulsion now for people of like, I need
to like feel the glass under my, like, I
think there's just a compulsion of like,
Oh, I like, you're so wired to just feel
that feeling. Yeah. That people like
impulsively just do it. Yes. It's like
when we first started getting cell
phones, I remember like, The buzz in your
pocket. Yeah. The fake buzz. You would
feel like you could swear that your phone
buzz with a notification. And it didn't,
it was a ghost. Yeah. But there was like
this compulsion to check it. And I think
there's now a compulsion, not just to
check your phone, but to like get on it
and scroll and unlock it. Yeah. Well,
because it's now associated with such
good, like almost regulatory feelings. If
you like break down with like the
dopamine, psychology, it's not my
expertise, but like if you listen to
anyone that is in, also people please
know that your phones and the things on
your phones are psychologically designed
to keep you on your phone as long as
possible. Yes. Anyways, back to
Nosferatu. Also side note, if you're
somebody who does have that compulsion,
at least just so you know, your phone has
screen brightness settings, turn the
brightness down. Yeah. Don't pop it out
and then have this brightness like in
beam of light. Or please just leave the
theater if you're going to go on your
phone. I guess that's a lot to ask
nowadays. Yeah. It's the guy- I love the
people that make the tent. Yeah. I was
gonna say the guy next to me and
Nosferatu, he had, I think it was his
coat, and he built a little tent. He kept
like going in his tent, like, well the
phone's in the tent. So it's like, yeah,
I guess that's true for everyone else in
theater, but I'm next to you, man. I can
still see it. It's one thing if the
theater is empty and you're all the way
in the back and the other, everyone is in
front of you. Right. And your phone's, I
guess that's fine. I guess if you're in
the theater all the time,
like we used to be, but it's just also
like, dude, like going to a movie is so
expensive now. Yeah. Why are you wasting
it? Get off your phone. Stop taking
pictures of the title screen to like
share on your Instagram. Right, yes. Like
we know, just take a picture of your
ticket in the lobby. Right. Or take a
picture of the fucking credits or
something. Yeah. Yeah. Credits would be
great. Okay. You know what? This is what
movies will start doing. Okay. There
should be, like every movie starts with
some sort of like Instagram title
sequence. Yeah. That's where we're going.
Yeah. Like the, how like every restaurant
now or every place now has like a little
area where they threw some bullshit up.
Yeah. They're like, take your picture of
me. That's what movies need to do now.
They do that in trailers. They have like
the mini trailer before the trailer
starts. Trailer for the trailer.
(Laughing) We need to capture their
attention in the next three seconds or
they'll never see this movie. (Laughing)
Which is probably true. That's why I sent
them the little pre-trailer because
otherwise we'd be like, what's this green
band I'm going on by the way?
(Laughing) Anyways.
And what it also like, we don't do like
Nosferatu. It's like the whole point is
I'm getting transferred to this untidy
world with the monster. I'm, oh, there's,
it's old. I want to live in the plague
without experiencing the plague. Yeah.
You're taking that away from me. Exactly.
You're reminding me of the modern plague.
I want to think about the old timing
plague when it was romantic.
(Laughing)
The people in my row, when Aaron
Tarrant-Leroy Johnson, he has like the
plague at one point and you see it, like
it's kind of revealed. And
they're like, oh, whatever.
But like in like a
positive endearing. (Laughing)
But yeah, and, but for the most part, I
think the people I was sat next to, even
though they didn't sound like they loved
it, I think they enjoyed themselves
enough. And then coming out of the movie,
I had a friend that was like, did you see
this movie? And I was like, this is
great. I'm so happy that Eggers is
getting this big. And I think it goes to
like our point of like, I guess it's, I
think it shows me at least, like how much
marketing works. Oh yeah. Like, and the
kind of, because I was not expecting
people to come out and make Nosferatu the
number two movie against
fucking Disney Lion King movie.
The only reason Mufasa is out is, and got
number one is because
one, it's a kid's movie.
Two, the Lion King is been an
identifiable property for 30 years.
So all those kids, their
parents grew up on the Lion King.
And Bob Iger, CEO of Disney has said,
straight up, it is cheaper and makes more
money for us to keep making movies with
like, you know, established IPs than to
risk making new IPs and make a loss. It's
very Rob Peter to pay for Paul, in my
opinion, but I'm not a CEO.
I think like for the general public,
probably gets tired of hearing about it,
but for people who are passionate about
movies and care about movies,
there's a lot of cynicism to that stuff.
And I know a lot of general public people
are probably like, I like, like, oh, I
liked the Marvel movies. Yeah, and I
don't care about, I feel like I enjoyed
that that's one thing. I think if you are
passionate about film in the film
industry, you can see why Mufasa, Moana 2
getting as much money as they are, is
disappointing, but why Nosferatu doing as
well as it did is exciting. Yes, it's
like movies are both art and
entertainment and their product, but
they're art and entertainment. And I
think a lot of people just see them as
entertainment. And there are some people
who also see it as art.
And it's the reason why there's like some
cynicism is like, when you have something
like Disney right now, and Disney has
been, Disney in the past has made
beautiful, entertaining art. But right
now, Disney just represents this like
corporate mentality of it is a product
and they only, there's the only emphasis
on the entertainment part.
And something like Nosferatu, like that
was made with the art as the intention.
Yes, like no one has, not many people
have nostalgic memories about Nosferatu,
the 1922 silent film.
Like Robert Egger said, most people that
know about Nosferatu is because he was in
a SpongeBob episode. You know, they just
know him like generally as like, it's one
of the most famous. You just know it from
cultural references. Yes. You've seen the
image of Nosferatu. Yeah, but like, I
haven't seen the silent film, I should,
but like-- There was
a place near us. Yeah.
Playing it with like a person playing
piano. Oh, there was like a live score. I
wanna go to a place. We were gonna go and
then we didn't. It's one of my big
regrets. Ah, that would have been so fun,
cool. Yeah. Anyways, that's ultimately
the point is like, oh, it's great to see
like a movie that like, cause movies can
do both. They can be art, they can be
entertainment and they can be a
successful product for the people who pay
for it. Yes. And it's cool seeing-- And
seeing Nosferatu accomplish all three of
those is really cool and very exciting
for film culture going forward. And to
see how many people reacted positively to
it. It's just been like so great and it's
like cool to like Nosferatu. (Laughing)
It's like cool to like that for-- It is,
like Charlie XCX is posing next to the
poster and like, I love you, Lily Rose
Depper, whatever. Well, yeah, and it's,
cause there's been a ton of great,
specifically horror movies this year, but
just not a lot of them got seen because
just people didn't know about them
because of marketing and people don't go
to the theater as much and all that shit.
Yeah. And I think people would go to the
theater if there was the marketing force
that was behind Nosferatu. Imagine if it
was there for like Strange Darling or if
it was there for Thelma or whatever.
Yeah. It's not like they only popcorn
buckets, but they need the popcorn bucket
mentality, is what I'm saying. Right, and
that's expensive and it's a whole thing.
It's expensive and they don't know if
that will pay off. But the hope is that,
cause these things wane, like when it
comes to studio filmmaking, these things
wane in terms of like how much creative
control the people, the artists have.
And you know, there's like, we go through
these phases where like, you know, the
seventies was like a big, like artist
driven time period because the studios
were financially fucked over from doing a
bunch of overly expensive epics. Like I
think Cleopatra is like the go-to example
of like waste of money will pick up the
studio. Well and like musicals were like,
they were starting to have diminishing
returns. Yes, the fifties and sixties,
and then that's when seventies it was
like, okay, well we fucked up so bad,
we'll just give you money. And then, oh,
there's a lot of amazing movies that came
out of the seventies. And then you have
eighties, there's going to be a lot of
people, there's a lot of great stuff that
happened in the eighties, but eighties
was a time where there was a lot of
products in movies, but I think there was
so great art made. Like there was still,
you know, that was the birth of the big
budget, they're the blockbuster. Yeah.
And then like, it's just, we are
currently at a time where studios are
enforcing more of their opinions on the
things because it's like, and-- Well,
they know they are using psychology and
certain things to get people into
theaters instead of trusting the art and
marketing the art itself. And there's
just so many, like, and that's why now,
but it's starting to fail. Like the,
there's been successes, but there's been
a lot of like big box office failures.
Yes, and it's starting to fail finally.
And it's starting to fail finally. And I
think, "Nas Rachi" represents that with
like, the Northman was, Eggers make a
movie, but we're going to impose our
notes and our opinions, and we're going
to control the product a little bit, and
it failed. And with "Nas Rachi", I don't
know fucking how, but he got a deal where
he had creative control
and it paid off. And it's the hope means
like, okay, maybe that's going to
encourage studios to do what A24 has been
doing of-- Or neon. Or neon, yeah,
there's like the little-- There's a lot
of them. The smaller
distributors have been doing.
There's difference between as a
distributor and a studio, A24 and neon
are mostly distributors. But sometimes
they're both. But sometimes they're both.
But they're not like studio, like
whatever, it doesn't matter. Hopefully
that it'll encourage more of that. Yeah,
well, and then I also like,
it's hard not to, you know,
we are both very upset, I guess, probably
not the upset, we are both very big
non-believers in what Disney has done for
copyright. They have continued over and
over time to abuse the copyright system.
Which I think the general idea is once
you make an IP, you are to like profit
off of it during your life and then
pretty soon, like 20 years after your
death, it's supposed to go into public
domain. Yeah, I think it was originally
just supposed to be like a certain amount
of time. Which I think is fair.
You create something, you have a certain
amount of time, whether that's your
lifestyle, I think it should just be
like, you have 10 years where you own
that thing. Yeah, I don't know exactly
what the best avenue is. I think it was
time-based because that's what they,
basically it's, there was like a time
junction of like how long that was. And
what Disney had been consistently doing
was getting Congress, and this is all
American copyright, was getting Congress
to push back that limit. So like, you
create something and in 10 years, it
becomes public domain. So the big thing
was like, oh shit, Mickey is coming up to
be in public domain. Okay, changed the
law. You create something and for 30
years, you own it before it goes into,
okay, and then up to like a hundred
years, like just because they didn't
wanna lose the ability to be the only
ones to make money off of the properties
that they had, they were pushing back
copyright for everybody. And we are-- And
we all suffer, and our art that is
commodifiable, suffers because of it. And
we applaud people like Verdrew, who made
the People's Joker and used her, I don't
know, tenacity to, I don't know if that's
the right word, but it
feels right. Sure, yeah.
It spiritually feels right to make some,
like the art that she wanted to make. And
I think that's awesome, and not being
afraid of copyright or whatever. Yeah.
And it's paid off for her. Yeah, and
that's what's conceptual. I get that
people will probably look at like, okay,
but like when Winnie the Pooh went into
public domain, someone just made some
shitty-- Horror movie. Horror movie. But
like, it means that something like the
People's Joker, where you can take these
characters, these characters mean
something culturally, you can take them
and do something different. It's not just
like, what does Warner Brothers, who is
the current rights owner, because they
bought DC Comics, so they have the right
to do with the Joker character, who gets
to make a Joker movie?
Todd Phillips. Todd Phillips gets to make
one now. Yeah, and Union Buster, by the
way. Motherfucker. Or anti-Union.
Anti-Union, at least in the 2008. I guess
not a Union Buster, but-- Yeah, 2008, he
was anti-Union. I don't know what his
current stance is. I'm skeptical. I'm
skeptical too. Also, he was all like, you
can't make comedies because, wokeness,
which, what that means is, that the
studios, hey, there's not comedies
anymore, and studios decided it's not
worth it. Yes. So his little fucking baby
reaction of, you can't make comedies
because of wokeness, what that means is,
the studios said, we're not paying for
comedies. And instead of being a, he's a
little fucking baby.
Like, okay, well, you probably made
enough money off those shitty ass
hangover movies. Apologies if you like
those movies. Yeah. Make your own comedy.
Yeah. And get somebody to just do good. I
saw at least five hangover DVDs, or
Blu-rays, at the two Goodwills we went to
this week. So, not only did you make a
bunch of money in, because that's when
people still bought physical media
regularly. Maybe he got a bad, maybe he
didn't get a lot of money off those
movies, I'm sure he did. Finance your own
comedy. Don't go through the studio
system. Yeah, go find a financier. Yeah.
Some of the best movies that came out
today, like this year, were financed by
people who went to go find their own
financier. And they didn't ask the
studios, because the studios weren't
gonna help make their movies. That's why
some of the best movies now have 27
production credits
before the movie starts.
(Laughing) Which it's like, I will sit
through as many production logos if I
have to. If you made a
artistic vision that,
is at least a vision. Yeah.
Speaking of artistic visions. Yes. So
that's how we spread our Christmas. Yeah,
Nosferatu. I just wanna say,
I'm just very happy for
Nosferatu's success. Yes.
To me, I hope that there's a lesson that
marketing your movie means something, and
we should market new visions, or at least
really fucking old visions come to life.
It's been like 100 years, it's fine.
(Laughing) Yeah, I think hopefully it
means, because ultimately the marketing,
it's expensive and the smaller
distributors don't necessarily have as
much money to. No, and I hope this is
inspiring people to go movies, I guess.
And then also, I want to make it as,
Moana 2 is one of the most successful
animated sequels, or something, it did it
really well, I think. And in case this
isn't common knowledge, I know this, but
not everyone knows this, Moana 2 was a
scrapped TV special. Yeah. And what?
That's the rumor, at least. It's the
rumor, I don't know if that's completely
confirmed or not, at least that's what
everyone's, it was gonna be a show, I
think, or a series. Basically, Disney saw
a gap in the market that they could make
money for a November
Thanksgiving release.
And they just took whatever they had
available to them, and they put it in
there, and it did well because
it's a property that people know, and
it's just, I don't know, it's just really
disappointing because we have
confirmation of Bob Iger saying,
let's not invest in new ideas. And we
have confirmation of them saying, let's
use nostalgia to basically play with
people's emotions. And I guess that's
disappointing, especially when on our New
Year's Eve, we just saw a movie, again,
that was in theaters at one point, which
is Twilight. And I have so much to say
about Twilight. Yeah, so we specifically
was, again, at the end of the day,
at the last picture house, this theater
that's inside the boy. I've been seeing
rowdy screenings of Twilight. There was,
I think, The Varsity and Des Moines, and
I wanted to visit there, we just haven't
gone to Des Moines in a long time. And
I've been seeing these types of
screenings around, where
interactive rowdy screenings.
And I was so excited that the last
picture house was getting a rowdy
screening of Twilight, because if you're
unaware, Twilight has been
through a bit of a renaissance,
where I think there is like,
the general basic timeline is when
Twilight was, first movies were getting
released and stuff. I think it came out
in 2009-ish. Yeah, something like that.
The first movie. And you've heard the
sentence, still a better
love story than Twilight.
Twilight was so over the top, made fun
of, not just because it was bad. I think
there was, I personally feel like there
was more insidious reasons. It's because
it was a very female-driven fan base. It
was a lot of younger females too. And
there's consistently always, if young
women like something, we have to,
and I think it's gotten better in the
last 10 years-ish, but we have to make
fun and put down anything
that women like in mass.
And that's been a thing
since the fucking Beatles.
We were watching a ContraPoints video, we
haven't finished it all
because it's three hours long.
But the beginning first chapter was
about, how women have been criticized for
reading the wrong things, do the wrong
things. They have a vanity in what they
read and they're always doing something
wrong. Yeah. And it was like, and they're
stupid and all these things. Yeah, it's,
I mean, everything, you can look at
anything if you grew up and throughout
history, I guess. But people probably
remember the time where romance novels
was the big joke. Yes. It's embarrassing
to read romance novels.
But then there was never that same thing
when it came to fucking Tom Cl-- Nobody's
like, you're reading another weird spy
movie where our book where the guys--
Are being spies, you know? Yeah. Or
like-- Not like in mass like that. That's
not like a, I've never heard that as a
common joke. People make a joke, but it's
not like, yeah. It's not so across the
board. And the same thing with movies.
There is a ton of like-- People demonize
rom coms all the time as if they have
nothing special to offer the table as if
they don't provide good context. Like as
if they're like, you know, it's just like
stupid movies and they're awful and the
people who are in them and the people who
watch them are just stupid, vapid, dumb,
nothing people. And I'm so much better
than them. But then like there's an
action movie and like, well, that's
actually very good. Yeah, that's actually
mean something. And I think like the
perfect, like Twilight's a great example
of where, which are the things she talked
about in the video, but like where
there is, Twilight plays into a certain
fantasy. Yes. And that fantasy isn't
necessarily a healthy thing. Yeah. But
like that's an exciting fantasy. And
it's, people are so quick to say, that
media is bad. And dangerous. And
dangerous. But it's like, okay, but then
you have, I know time wise John Wick does
it. I can't think of any action movies
from that time period. But like a John
Wick, for example, or some kind of like
action movie where it's like-- Jason
Bourne? Jason Bourne. Where it's like,
yeah, there's a fantasy to be like, I'm a
guy who can jump off walls and kick
people the best. I'm the best at punching
people. And it's like-- I'm a big hero.
Yeah. And there is a fantasy in that.
Like there has always been the fantasy
of, I was married, but then my wife got
killed and now I'm avenging my wife. And
because I'm avenging my wife, it's okay
that I'm murdering a bunch of people.
Yes. And that is seen as like, well, and
then if you say like, that's bad, that's
it's like, oh, violence. And there's the,
you treated it with the appropriateness
of like, it's just a fucking movie.
Nobody is gonna watch that movie and then
go act out those violent things. And once
I, and like, if they do, it's not the
movie's responsibility. It's like, it's
the, we don't have a moral obligation to
censor ourselves in that way, you know?
But if it's a story that evolves around
like, oh, she's in love with a bad boy.
Yeah, she's loved and like-- We gotta do
something because women are so dumb.
They'll go out and if a young girl sees a
vampire in her school, she'll try to date
him because of this, but that's
dangerous. Well, it's also like, yeah,
like, and people also make fun of it
because it comes from like a, it's Mormon
and it's text, which I can understand the
apprehension, but also I think honestly
looking back to like, and there are some
more deeper Mormon lore the further the
books go along. But like-- You talking
about-- Let's not get into it. Okay.
But if we break down the basic dynamic
of, and there's a couple of basic
dynamics going on, is one, this, you
know, Edward, dangerous, and he, you
know, like being in love with someone who
is, you know, a predator. And they say
that in the movie, you know? They equate
him to a lion. He calls himself a
predator in terms of being a vampire
because he has to prey on humans or
animals or whatever.
And like, so there's that dynamic of, you
know, I'm just powerless in the
situation. And growing up, at least in a
Christian evangelical, like I grew up in
purity culture. And I wasn't super into
the Twilight books personally, but I
never like minded them. I was always
like, do your thing, you know? Right,
yeah, yeah. Not that I had the chance to
say that, but like, I would go see him. I
like read the first book and stuff. And
I'm just like personally not the biggest
fantasy person. And that's really what it
comes down to. But like, I, you know,
support your right to
have those fantasy dreams.
But having the dream of like, you know,
I'm like being in a purity culture and
feeling like, well, I have so much
responsibility to remain
pure, whatever that means.
But if someone else does it, that's not
my fault, you know? Right, yeah. I wasn't
necessarily wanting it. That goes with no
fraud to it. It's the similar dynamic.
It's literally the same dynamic of I'm a
sexual being, but I'm not allowed to be
sexual. If there was just this vampire
who took advantage of me, then that would
be fine. Right, yeah. Which is, that's
like the Dracula story. Yes. It's 100%
the, and that's, Twilight
is very similar in that.
But it relates to, you know, that Mormon
or like purity culture thing that is
pervasive to this day. Not as bad as when
I was growing up or whatever.
I hope.
There's also the idea of like, I'm the
only one that can tame this vampire.
Like, so there's like power in that too.
And when you are in those powerless
situations in a church,
like, and this is the
same in Nosferatu as well.
Helen, I think, is it Helen or Alan? I
couldn't tell. I think it's Helen. I'm
not sure. Okay. Main character, Kristen
Stewart, Helen, whatever.
They're the only ones that have power to
do something in this situation. What are
you talking about? What's the other main
character in Twilight?
Isabella and the main character in
Nosferatu. Helen. So both of them, they
are both the only ones that have power to
do something about the situation.
Isabella is the only one that can control
Edward. Like, even though he wants to
like, kill her and have her blood,
her, his love for her
and her, like, I guess,
whatever. Resent of lilacs or whatever is
so powerful, like, that he's able to
contain himself and control himself.
There is a desire and
that's literally the same thing.
Sex with me will stop the plague. Yeah.
You know? Right, yeah, yeah.
There is, and in like the later books,
having the triangle of like, you know,
how many people try to ask Bella out in
the first movie? It's nonstop. Yeah, they
are all so attracted to her and she's
like, wait, what's going on? I'm just
like an average girl. And that's very
funny because the way it comes out is a
little awkward. But when you're a
teenager, you don't
give a fuck. Yeah, right.
You're just watching one like, oh,
imagine to be there. Imagine if I had all
this attention because
when you're a teenager,
and like, I think that's just a
personhood thing where like, what if
everyone loved me? That would be so
great. I feel most people don't feel like
they have enough love
in their lives. Yeah.
Especially a teenage girl, especially
when the world is shouting at them that
they're stupid. What if instead in this
fantasy, the world, everyone's asking me
out, everyone loves me, everyone wants to
be my friend, everyone, and I'm just
like, I'm just so cool about it. Yeah,
and then there's like the super cool sexy
group. And one of them is like, don't
even bother with him. But then he loves
you. At first you think he
just thinks you're stinky,
but then he actually loves you. So my
point being is that if we take down the
basic dynamics of Twilight, they're
pretty much the same as Nosferatu. Yeah.
But in practice, Twilight, the books, and
more so the movie, is a little awkward. I
think that's more almost, because the
movie itself is awkward and some of the
dialogue is awkward, but I say give
fucking 14 year olds a break. Right.
Okay, you never liked
anything cringy in your whole life.
(Laughing) So what's nice about the Rowdy
screenings is that it's people who are
adults now that may have loved these
books or continued to love these books,
or love these books as children,
teenagers or whatever. Or adult women
too. Yeah. But I'm relating it to people
like me, who are like, that might've been
cringy, but I take ownership of it.
Right, yeah. And I think that's so
fucking cool. Yeah, it's great. And
that's why I love the Twilight
Renaissance and I love people being like,
fuck it. I'm gonna wear this because I'm
a grown person, you can't hurt me for
liking this. I will like this out of
spite for how you treated me almost. Hell
yeah. And maybe not everyone's thinking
about it this deeply, but our theater was
laughing at most of the movie while
appreciating when I was 14, I thought
this was the best fucking thing in the
world. There was lots of people who were
quoting along with it. Yes. They know it
so well. Well, a lot of people knew the
big quotes and there would be tension
right before he would say, say it, what
year are you? A
vampire and everyone cheer.
(Laughing) That was one of my favorite
parts was the say it, when she's like--
That's a famous scene. Right, and it's
like, I love people going like, fucking
say it. (Laughing) There was one girl in
the row behind us and she was carrying
the whole thing. Cause I think her
theater, I wish it was almost a little
rowdier. Yeah, I think-- So I think they
didn't advertise the rowdiness, they
didn't have an introduction like they
usually do. I think they should have,
yeah, they usually have an introduction
and they were also like fucking busy.
They were so busy. But a lot of times
they'll have introduction for these,
cause they did one for the room. Yes.
They do a lot of special events there.
They've done them for like random movies
too. It was a little disappointing. I
wish they did an introduction. I think
they should have had an introduction. And
like warmed people up. Hey, just so you
know, this is the rowdiest, crazy. I
would have loved if there was almost
like, like an opener for the movie.
(Laughing) Like I think there should have
been like a comedian or a drag queen or
like someone like, Mary, if you're
listening to this, probably not.
She would have been great at like, let's
do a little PowerPoint and like, kind of
introduced the concept of that. Cause it
was just said rowdy, but it was like, it
wasn't, I don't think advertised as, and
so I think people were a little anxious.
Some people went to that screening we
heard and were like, what the fuck's
going on? Why are people yelling during
the movie? It was like their first time
seeing it. Yeah, and they were like, oh,
you went to the wrong screening.
That's a cool person who's like, I'm
going to spend my day here finally
watching "Twilight" in theater. Wait, why
is everyone yelling?
What's happening? Oh my God.
But I thought, I was hoping it'd be a
little bit rowdy here. Yeah, I think
there was, especially in the beginning, a
little awkwardness, people didn't quite
know. I started clapping right away to
help, and I think it helped. Yeah, I
think it helped. I think you broke the
tension. A little bit. Cause I think it
was like when Edward showed up or
something. Yeah, well, and then like,
yeah, I started like, I clapped for the
title screen. Yeah. And there was just
different times, like at the beginning
where I'm like, doesn't feel like people
are gonna react loud enough. That's what
we want, we want the rowdy screening. And
like, there needs to be a little bit
more, maybe rules or, and there's those
times in the movie too. But I was hoping
that there would be a standing ovation at
the end, but everyone just fucking left.
So I felt a little embarrassed by that. I
think it doesn't help that it's one of
those movies where it ends, but then it
goes into like a montage of this actor
played this person. Yeah. This is a weird
choice for movies in general. I just,
there was a lady in the row behind us and
she was caring. Cause like the thing was
like, oh, I don't, I didn't know that
Stephanie Meyer had a cameo in this
movie. And she called it out right away.
And I was like, oh, thank God. She's
like, "I quit herself." Yeah, whoever you
are, you win New Year's Eve darling
title. You did best at rowdy Twilight
screening. You did the best of the
Twilight screening. That would be great
too. And I hope the last picture house
does more like interactive movies. Like I
would love to have hosts for it and
stuff, you know? Well, I
think cause we've gone to,
they do re screenings in the summer.
Cause they have like a outside roof
theater. Yeah. Which I think it seems
like they were selling out constantly. Oh
yeah. You would have to buy yours like as
soon as they announced it if you wanted a
ticket. And then like the room sold out
or did really sold out at the point where
they had to do a second screening. Yes.
The thing they played the thing for just
cause it's winter. Like they did a lot of
a... That, yeah. And I think like,
especially interactive things,
but like I, it feels like in theater, we
were talking about with "Nostra Roxy"
like they, IMAX has been putting out
things. It feels like there's a sense of
like, hey, we can just play movies that
already exist. Yes. When an interstellar
went in IMAX, it became top 10 on
letterbox. It did really well actually. A
lot of the reason understandably why
people don't go to movies is it's very
expensive and it's a gamble if you don't
know what the movie is. Yes. And if
you're like, oh, I know I like that movie
or I've, I know about that movie. I've
heard people like that movie. I've always
wanted to see it. To see it in a theater
is cool. It's like, oh, it's a great
opportunity to see it in a theater. Cause
I'm sorry, seeing a movie in a theater
it's a better experience. Yeah. And
especially, but then on top of that, the
fun kind of rowdy, it's something that's
like, this is what a theater can provide
that a streaming service at home can't.
Yes. Like you're in a crowd with people
and you're, there's an energy. Let's make
this a party. Yeah. We're all having fun.
Laughing in a big group is such a fucking
fun thing. Yes. And. And the friends we
went with after the screen, they're like,
that was so great. I would love to do
that again. And I don't think they
necessarily knew that, they haven't been
to a room screen before. Things like that
happened. Yeah. Cause like, I hope that I
wanna, if you're listening to this and
you agree, please also send letters or
emails to the last person cause I want
them to do the whole series. Yes. Like
don't wait till next new year's. Let's go
to the next one now. Yeah. Let's do a new
room. It's werewolf time, God damn it. Oh
yeah. Someone was like, wait, no team
Jacob here? Yeah. Jacob's not really in
the first movie a time. Yeah, when Jacob
showed up, nobody applaud. (Laughing)
Someone called us out on it. I think the
character who got the biggest response
was the. Carlisle. Yeah, the Carlisle.
Yeah, he was. He was such a great. Once
again, the queen in the room behind us.
She was like, that's my doctor.
Yeah, it is. Cause like, he has a great
entrance too. Cause he like busts through
the hospital door. Oh
yeah, yeah, yeah. He comes in.
But yeah, I hope they do more of those.
And I hope that it's specifically
Twilight, but other just cause there's
tons of like, cause like the person, one
of the people we talked with, they
mentioned something along the lines of
how like, this is the new generations,
Rocky Horror. Yes. But it's like, there's
a lot of like movies like that, where
it's like, you enjoy the movie in a
different way. Yes. Where it's like,
cause like, it's not like everyone was
there in a hate Twilight. We were all
there. No, we like loved it while
recognizing its flaws. Yeah. And I think
that's beautiful. Yeah, and there's like,
cause it's like, you can have, when you
were, when you were, it didn't apply to
me. I was a grown and not a lady when it
came out. And I shouldn't say not a lady,
I just, it wasn't my thing, but there's
so much fun stuff that's not making fun
of it, but just weird choices were like,
when, when. There's like a lot of weird,
like almost comedy shots in the movie and
the dialogue's very stilted and the voice
that Edward, like Robert Pattinson uses
for Edward is very strange. There's a
famous scene with the diamonds where he's
like, oh yeah, he's. I'm gonna bring you,
cause I'm gonna show you what I really
am. I'm a monster. Yeah, the monster, and
he's just glistening with glowy diamonds
in the sun. Yes. And she's like,
appropriately like, you're beautiful. And
he's like, you know, this is the skin of
a killer Bella. Like that's funny. Yeah.
I'm sorry, that's just funny. And the way
it shot is funny, but then even funnier
to me at least after that is then they go
deeper into the forest, they have this
conversation and they're talking about
it. And he just is in trees, like he's
just squatting in tree branches. Yes,
like a little owl or something. There's
so many little choices that are very
funny. And we can appreciate that as
children, we are younger us, 10 years ago
us, we shouldn't, 15 years ago us. We
shouldn't have been like treated that
way. Yeah. Whoa, saying like, yeah, it's
bad. Right. You didn't have to give us
such a hard time about it. Both can be
true. Yeah. But yeah, so also a very
great couple of tree movies. It was a
great way to end that year and start the
new year. Yes, yes, yes. I am so excited
for the filmmaking to come and films to
come at the last picture house. I hope
they do more events like that.
Very excited.
And I also think watching movies in ways
that like movie, it shows that movies can
be enjoyed more than one way. Right,
yeah. And, cause I think people
sometimes, not everyone, but some people
have a very narrow view of how a movie is
to be enjoyed. Yeah. And that's why
things like The Room are a great starter
of like, you could enjoy this, but then
also not enjoy it in a way where like,
this was a great time, you know? When we
saw The Room, it was- That was a great
viewing. It was with Greg Sestero, if you
don't know, he's Mark in the movie. And
he's been doing things where he does
this, but he does some Q and A before and
after, but he was talking about that
topic of enjoying movies. And his example
was he loves The Revenant. Yeah. One of
his favorite movies here, he will always
remember singing in theater, fucking
loved it. But that scene where Tommy
comes in on the birthday party and says,
"Good job on the birthday party, Lisa.
You invited all my friends. Good
thinking." (Lisa Laughing) There's just
something about that that's so enjoyable.
And it's like, yeah, you can look at it
in terms of just like, that's bad
dialogue. It's a bad ADR. It doesn't make
sense. Humans don't talk like that. All
of that's true, but it's compelling as
hell to fucking watch. And he's like, I
can watch that. I've seen that hundreds
of times and it's still enjoyable. I
don't know if I could watch The Revenant
that many times. Yes.
And I think it's, things like this are
good for films because it gives people a
more dynamic way of looking at film. And
enjoying film and enjoying art. And like
not everything's still black and white.
Things are best lived in gray, which is
like the color scale of
Nosferatu in theaters now.
(Both Laughing) Okay, I gotta wrap this
up. We're gonna go to the movies. Also, I
have to go to the bathroom. Thank you for
listening to this
podcast. I'll see you later. Bye.